In an interview with Time on Tuesday, Ken Segall, a former creative director of Apple ad agency TBWA/Chiat/Day who worked with the late Steve Jobs at Apple and NeXT, discussed a wide range of topics including his time collaborating on the Cupertino tech giant’s ad campaigns….

….Segall is in a unique position to offer insight into the inner workings of Apple’s advertising process after being involved in the company’s ad campaigns for 12 years. Among his team’s accomplishments are the naming of the “iMac” and the “Think Different” campaign, the latter kickstarting Apple’s initial rise following the return of cofounder Steve Jobs. Segall has done subsequent work for large tech companies Dell and IBM.